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Apr. 21st, 2009

Dah Default.

Just got out of a debate with a Creationist:



I was working and I sit by someone and we get to a discussion of physical science and a paper he was working on. That was....all right. Next thing you know, we get to discussing Evolution v. Creationism. He began by stating that he wanted to know where the transitional forms were and why there were no intermediates. I said that all equivalent creatures had been exterminated by humankind, namely Neandies, Erectus, and Hobbits. So....he then notes that God made Man with a Sin nature but animals without one. I mentioned Giordano Bruno being burned for that, but responded that we couldn't know if God came as a flea to die for fleas or not, because humans can't understand what it's like to be a flea. Then, he responds with the idea that a Christian could not accept evolution. So...I pointed out that God said that things did happen for a purpose, but that His revelation, the general revelation argued conclusively for the evidence of science.

He then said that God's general revelation did conflict with his particular revelation, but that wasn't an argument. I asked him what the difference was....and he didn't know. So....then we got into the question of how to reconcile the idea of billions of years of geology with a 6,000 year geological timespan. I pointed out that reality rather conclusively did not say what he said it said. So...then he said the thing that made me the most. He said something to the effect of if God made the world 4.6 billion years old, but I believe it's 6,000 years old, then God is wrong. And that he would reject the reality that is for the reality he wants.

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What the Hell made that whole thing seem like I was battering my head against a brick wall repeatedly? It was like he couldn't listen to my argument at all, even though I was willing to hear his!

Mar. 12th, 2009

Dah Default.

What the world would look like if it were really created 6,000 years ago:

If the Earth were created 6,000 years ago: humans would be hardly even to the outer reaches of Europe yet, let alone Africa, Asia, Australia, and the Americas. The human groups steadily expanding would be various small principalities pursuing a Hellenistic form of imperialism. Most languages would be derived from the language categories of the Hebrew tribes: namely, Hittites and other non-Semitic peoples would be Hamite-speaking, Japhethite would still be spoken, and Semite would be spoken in other parts of the world. The human race would also be able to make by means of prayer clear demonstration that a specific people's God is the only entity and this would be obvious to all so that none are without excuse. A person would be able to pray to wet wood to set it on fire and on fire would it be set.

Earth as a whole: multiple ecosystems co-exist, and the megafauna are spreading throughout the world, also. Much of the planet is empty except for plant life and insects needed to sustain it. Animals are spreading around and monsters in the sea will prohibit spreading onto even Mediterranean islands due to their sheer horrific size and power.

Universe and Solar System: The system would revolve around the Earth and the sky would be supported by pillars. It would also be a much smaller and dimmer sky with living stars, not big-ass balls of gas stars.

Is that our world?

Apr. 29th, 2008

Dah Default.

Evolution and Evilvangelicalism.

There's a lot of fuss, it seems about the idea that humans are just a bipedal ape that is adapted to the savannah that happened to get a lot of luck where our relatives didn't. Let's compare the Creationist view of mankind with the Evolutionary view, and contrast supposedly man-denying Creationism with man-enhancing evolution.

Creationist view: Two people created for an eternal existence fuck up and everyone else in the entire species has to pay for it. These people "only" live 930 years until Yahweh Elohim gets fed up enough to kill the entire species but one group. Depending on the flavor of Creationism, and even YE Creationism, the Flood creates the Continents and then from this one group the entire race expands from the Middle East in a world filled with Sarcosuchus, Megalodon, Liopleuredon, and other sea nasties from the Tigris/Euphrates plain to ultimately Tierra del Fuego and New Zealand. Somehow, despite all being descended from worship of one god, religions that operate on entirely separate principles and display no connection to the ancestral worship of the Habiru nomad God emerge in places like Australia and South America. Most groups on the planet stagnate, with only one or two major regions favored by God enough to advance. Somehow stating that they are "culturally devolved" is not a racist statement. Anywho, Jewish people retain the only connection to the Creator, then the Creator allows His people to be expelled from their homelands and treated like shit and expelled from their lands. Then, some 700 years later that Creator Incarnates in one Jewish Rabbi, whose followers are all somehow following post-Reformation, Dominionist theology and the traditional Catholic and Orthodox and Nestorian churches all decayed without any traces (save Montanus, the true father of Dominionism). These followers eventually succumb to Islam, and to the (gasp, how evil that evidence should state what it does) evil forces of Darwinism.

The God of Creationism is a vile, evil monster.

Now, for the scientific, real version of man's origins: From the diversification of the Hominidae from the Hylobatidae, the various species split, the Man of the Forest (Orang-utan) of Borneo first, then the gorilla. 6 million years ago, a warlike, hierarchical, violent ape splits into two populations. One, the lineage leading to the modern-day Common Chimpanzee and Bonobo. The other an increasingly diverse range of bipedal apes. The second lineage experiences a golden age 4 million years later, and then starts to get walloped by the Pleiostene glaciation. Eventually, the lineage of Homo is created, which overcomes through both probable Paranthrophagy and baboon competition the rival Hominine lineage. That population expands, diversifying very probably into more species than currently discovered, the ones currently known being Sapiens, Neanderthalensis, Erectus, and Floriensis. Eventually a line of dark-skinned bipedal monkeys with a mandibular protusion, small browridges, and a much lighter form (though still more robust and hence more violent than today's group) explodes out, by 12,000 ya displacing the last known pre-modern species in a pattern not unlike the treatment of Aborigines and Amerindians in both continents. This species settles into various organizations of groups, in Australia and the Andaman Islands continuing a way of life similar to the ancestral pattern for literally the entire time of the Scattering. In Africa, societies developed including Egypt and Nubia, gradually by the dawn of history expanding further south on the current model of relationships. In Eurasia, Southwest Asia begins to birth the first civilizations, gradually shifting in terms of power centers between SW Asia, the European peninsula, and India, and also China. Eventually, by a stroke of luck and convenient geography, the Asian peninsula that considers itself a continent begins full-fledged expansion. The aforementioned Australian and Andamanese populations are devastated. But in the Americas, two entire continents of people lived according to imperial states, hunter-gatherers, and agriculturalists. When Europe collides with all of these, mass slaughter and the subjection of nearly all the rest of the planet excluding Japan ensues. Then, two big wars, and the Cold War, now you get to here.

One version of humanity is perfect and then falters and eternally decays, serving a deceiving God that cannot even leave traces of himself in cultures that by virtue of isolation should, if anything, be practicing purer forms of Yahwism than Yahweh's chosen due to Yahweh's chosen's bad choice of land to live in.

The other never presumes perfection, accepts a flawed, blood-spattered species and holds that even warlike societies are not foreordained to be so, but should circumstances permit it, should become better.

Which is better, again?

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